User talk:Kdarrow

Hi, it's me, Kate! I am glad you are here. Please leave me a note. Happy trails!

- kdarrow   take her for a spin!

Forgot to talk to you about a few things
Heya! When you get the chance can you get in touch with me? I had some stuff I forgot to talk to you about. Thanks a bunch! - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 08:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Links
Kate, when you're updating Fallout 4 holodisk and note pages, can you also change the intro to note or holotapes (see my recent edits). And check if it's a holotape, to change the category to holotapes. see We are done. Jspoelstra (talk) 16:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

EDID
Hi.

I know, you've changed the format of some IB entries recently, removing  from certain parameters. Just stumbled upon such on Mechanist's log – did you replace it with something else? Couldn't find a related edit from you that easily … I've left exactly that untouched for now, so you might fix it on said article. -- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 17:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Intrepid359 removed it later on that article.
 * Eckserah did it differently on another article, so I talked with him on Discord. To emulate the formatting, the deprecated  would give, we should use   instead. He and/or I are going to update the related infobox documentations.
 * Just informing you. -- UserCCCSig.png -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 04:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: A tiny favor
Hey, there!

The image categorization for all yet categorized (if I didn't miss something) Fallout 4 holotapes and notes is done; see Category:Fallout 4 holotape images and Category:Fallout 4 note images.

Glad that I could serve you! 😉😄 -- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 18:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Favor
Hey! Could you do me a favor and move Dolly Sods campground to Dolly Sods Campground AND Spruce Knob campground to Spruce Knob Campground? They are real-world US Forest Service campgrounds that are capitalized. Dolly Sods Campground is Red Creek Campground, Spruce Knob Campground is Spruce Knob Lake Campground. I know you also love locations, so here's the full list of campgrounds in that area! :)

Re cargobot
You can see a little of it in my pic of the arktos pharma handy it’s in that workshop area on one of the upper floors refer to said image for reference if you need to Springtrap1128 (talk) 09:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Got some questions for ya!
Hey can you get in contact with me when you get the chance? Got some stuff I wanna talk to you about. Thanks! - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 00:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok I will hop on Discord. - kdarrow Pickman heart.png  take her for a spin! 01:20, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Community Messages alert pop-up
I don't want to raise a doubt that "kate still rulezzz", but I didn't get any pop-ups recently – UCP? -- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 14:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Reported. -- UserCCCSig.png -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 16:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Redirects
I see you've changed Far Harbor note redirects to anchor directs (see as an example). I wouldn't have done that myself, the redirect has the same function, it makes not much difference. Also, when a link would change on the target page (so for example, Far Harbor to Far Harbor notes, not saying we're doing that but still), your anchor direct wouldn't work anymore for all those pages. You also did the same in the past for keys, wasn't really necessary. Jspoelstra (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Discord
Hate to bother you over this, but I have to ask; Was I banned from discord?--Ant2242 (talk) 15:11, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Finn
I heard you and Eckserah were discussing when to create disambiguation pages, appears you believe two characters is enough for that. I don't agree with that. It's too little entries, and you can see the two already in the search bar where you can make a choice there. At least three, preferable even 5 entries I'd say. Not any less. Jspoelstra (talk) 19:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The disambiguation rule needs a bit of a rewrite, two entries is too few for a disambig. Also moved Jukebox to Jukebox (Fallout 3) again. Many years ago we decided to combine the Fallout 3 and FNV world object/misc item pages and give them the (Fallout 3) disambiguator. Other that that, only use a (disambiguation) suffix if the same character appears in multiple games, like Henry, Marcus and Harold. The Jukebox overview page should just be jukebox without disambig. Jspoelstra (talk) 12:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thank you for the kind thoughts. Like my nickname, I'm not good at English. Please forgive me when I used some strange phrases. This is my first time to use the "Talk". I don't know how long will as normal. So I would just keep typing until I decide to stop. Don't need check all my words.

About the page of "Fallout 4 armor and clothing", I really want Disciples' and Operators' armored skirts and dresses to be parts of Disciples or Operators armors because they can mod without "Railroad". Like "chest piece". Even they took up leg slots. But you guys don't let me do it. And because that, I realize those things cannot wear with any clothes. So I felt you guys are right and leave those things away.

And anther thing. I know you guys don't like it, but there is a unique laser musket that don't has Legendary effects but has automatic fire mod. Please give its own page for it. For The Minutemen, The winner of the war with The Institute. For Sturges. I don't know your thought with "Salvaged Assaultron head". But to me, it like a unique laser musket that has a strange design and unique effects but cannot make modifications. Don't feel it just a special laser musket like "Atom's Judgement" and "Deliverer", do you? So... I hope you guys to let "Laser musket (Fallout 4)" be one of "General" weapons and put "Automatic laser musket" and "Salvaged Assaultron head" under "Laser Musket" to be the "Unique" weapon of it, please. I can't do it because my English is poor.

Thank you anyway. All the best to you.User:趙海如

RE: Flamingo things
Of course! I always have it open and have no issues with going through and finding whatever info you need. Let me know if you have anything else I can help with! (Also I left you some messages when you get the chance) - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 16:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * On another note what happened to your user page? Everything is gone! - Eckserah User_Eckserah.png  Head Dataminer 17:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Fallout 76 map images
Kate, the category Category:Fallout 76 map images isn't needed, the images in there should just be placed in the Category:Fallout 76 maps. It's one of the categories where mainspace pages and images are combined. Now it falls out of place with the map categories of the other games. Jspoelstra (talk) 15:36, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't images get a seperate category than non images? Otherwise we end up cluttering up the article categories with images - Eckserah User_Eckserah.png  Head Dataminer 21:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This seems like an anomoly but I asked if it would be cool to place all file: into an images category across all games to keep them consistent that way instead. - kdarrow Pickman heart.png  take her for a spin! 21:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Booze and gas masks
Is there really a cut content FO2 gas mask or is it from the Restoration Mod? May I split the "Booze" page "Booze (Fallout)", "Booze (Fallout 2)", and "Booze (Fallout Tactics)"? Or is it just the former and latter? --Ant2242 (talk) 19:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Unable to upload
For some reason I'm unable to upload the exterior shot for Dusty's Cantina from Gamepedia. Do you know what could be causing it? Also could you please do it? "File:Fo2 Dusty's Cantina Exterior.png"--Ant2242 (talk) 07:16, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm also getting the message for "File:Fo2 SS Dwellers.png".--Ant2242 (talk) 07:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
About those maps, the "map" name itself already indicates that it is an image folder, those mainspace article don't belong in there, but in notes. I'm going to change that so there is conformity again. And thanks for the well wishes, the same to you, and glad to have been some help along your way to stardom! You've become an important member here in a short time, thanks for your work here in the past year; your future is looking bright! Jspoelstra (talk) 21:44, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Check discord when you can
Hey, can you check discord when you get the chance? Thanks - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 13:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Quiz 3-2
Hello Clarice Katherine.....

I have come to inform you that I have made the required edits to my user page. I added a quote about the free states as well as links to 3 of my "favorite" pages on the wiki. Also I changed my pfp a few weeks ago, no doubt subconsciously anticipating this lesson...

Also customized my signature. - Not Alex  03:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hemlock Holes
Hey there, would you be able to extract the sign for Hemlock Holes? Seems like it's one that's been missed in the passionate quest for sign textures in 76 :P AllYourFavorites! (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Bramgood
No worries, I figured it could just be reorganized rather than removed. On another note, thank you for getting the Hemlock Holes sign! AllYourFavorites! (talk) 19:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Re: Patrollerino
Thanks, Miss D. Will look through it, though I think I grasped the concept beforehand.

off to screw something up I go

--Findabair The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 07:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Navboxes
Kate, you placed Navbox_holotapes_and_notes_FNV at the bottom of some Fallout: New Vegas holotape/note pages. You need to split that navbox in a holotape and note navbox, like I did with Fallout 4 and Fallout 76. Jspoel  15:47, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, and if you post a blog, you should add the Category:Community news to it, otherwise it won't show on the wiki front page in the community news section. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 17:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have to remove the Navbox holotapes and notes template, like you did here. Just change the name to Navbox holotapes FNV, the navbox will be created later on. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 19:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Categorizing
I'll browse them. And a happy and healthy new year for you too! Jspoel  21:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Republican
I'm 99% sure that the Boomers' comment about Boone isn't referring to the Republican Party, and more the NCR. There's nothing that states it's a reference to the Republican Party, and the NCR use the term "Republican" on a few occasions (Republican Farmers' Committee, NCR civilian clothes are called "OutfitRepublican" in the files). AllYourFavorites! (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks again! AllYourFavorites! (talk) 18:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Another Vandal
User Icenhancer vandalized the Raider Skinner Outfit I believe I have fixed everything but he still needs to be taken care of Springtrap1128 (talk)

Interactions box
Kate, the interactions overview and inventory always need to stay on pages where the characters appears in the game. Only for mentioned-only characters they can go, but not the ones you're removing now. Jspoel  21:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Inventory, if it's missing, can be filled in, taken from the Fallout and Fallout 2 NPC armor and clothing page. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 21:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Academy and project clearing
I was wondering if I could join the Academy to improve my abilities. Specifically in the in finishing of projects, as clearing out of all that stuff from my personal pages... it got too large years ago and I seem to keep adding to it rather than removing from it.--Ant2242 (talk) 03:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Titles etc.
Kate, my dearest,

I was simply correcting an overzealous application of said policy. As you point out, we omit titles and ranks from titles, as is common practice on Wikipedia and other encyclopedias. However, that policy does not actually cover nicknames, since they are context-sensitive, and it's left to the editor's discretion. I follow the general naming policy, that names should be short and precise to allow for ease of identification and navigation.

In Lady Jane's case, Lady is neither a title nor a rank, but a nickname, like Athabaska Dick or Marge LeBarge, and both are used in-game to refer to these characters and on the wiki to refer to them - otherwise, they'd be "Dick (Redding)" or "Marge (Redding)". I'm not sure how we'd place Smitty, since he clearly states that Smitty is a nickname given to him by the rest of the settlement on account of his profession.

Context matters here. Sergeant RL-3 was, for a long time, located at RL-3, despite it being evident that it's part of his full name, on account of robots not actually holding a rank in the military.

I usually defer to Wikipedia in unclear cases, and it will use unique, identifying nicknames over formal or birth names. For example, Mother Jones, a labor activist, was born as Mary G. Harris Jones, but is universally known as Mother Jones and that name is used, instead of Jones (activist).

Kind regards, Tagaziel

PS: I've also reincorporated some Behind the Scenes stuff on the Mormon article, to give a more complete overview. :)

A gift for the mentor that has everything!
Hey there! I just wanted to thank you for being an amazing mentor and super supportive with everything. This edit is actually going to be my 1000th edit so I wanted to commemorate it with a gift for you! I appreciate everything you've done for me and my group!

Of developers and quotes
Kate, my sweet,

I agree, this is something that could be included in the TVA curriculum: Context matters. I do say that developer quotes should, as a rule, go into the BtS sections, but it all depends on context. I usually ask myself "what information are people looking for"? As such:


 * 1) If a developer quote provides additional information on the subject in-world, as is the case with JES explaining the Lation pronunciation of the Legion,  clarifying the impact of the Brotherhood War on the NCR economy, clarifying what Yes Man means by being "more assertive", or developer quotes clarifying other elements ofFallout or Fallout 2 (which are fairly common), I would use it in-line to expand on the subject, while clearly marking it as a non-game source.
 * 2) If a developer quote instead provides information on the subject out of world, eg. why it was implemented or how it was created, then it's in the Behind the Scenes section. Eg. explanations as to who Sasha is, influence of Tamerlane and Charles Taylor on Caesar, the thematic link between Lyons and the Vault Dweller.

When editing, keep in mind that we also want to represent the full body of Fallout knowledge, which is why we voted in the canon policy as it currently is: So that we can paint a complete picture while also identifying where information comes from, so that users can readily understand the complete picture, while knowing which parts can be readily changed and retconned, and which are binding for the current developer.

Note that I'm not disagreeing with you at all regarding the removal of Van Buren content. That stuff can be safely relegated to BtS without a second thought.

Regards, Tägäżïël 08:35, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Factions vs. Organizations
I have to say I disagree with creating a new category for organizations. The line between faction and organization is tenuous at best and nonexistent in most senses. Factions, as we have defined it here at the wiki, are "a grouping of like-minded individuals, united in a common goal or set of common goals. The individuals band together as a way of achieving these goals and advancing their agenda." Now, according to oxford dictionary, an organization is "an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc." Now, does this more accurately describe the pages you've been categorizing? Absolutely. But it also better fits the NCR. And the Legion. And the Enclave, Brotherhood of Steel, Institute, and every other major faction in the wasteland better than "faction." Now I suppose we could change the term "faction" to "organization" across the entire wiki, but that would probably require a vote, and I feel like the difference is just to minute to warrant it. - New California Ahoy   " Who are you, that do not know their history? "
 * You yourself just stated what the difference between them is. A faction describes something like the NCR, Legion, Enclave, BoS, Institute, Raiders, Free States, etc.. much more closely than an organization does. Businesses however are NOT factions and should not be classified this way. Not to mention the specific use of the word faction both in game and in marketing material for these specific groups. - Eckserah User_Eckserah.png  Head Dataminer 02:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * A faction is a group we join, or can see evidence of in the wasteland. An organization is mentioned in a source text, or a group from years past. Organizations can be pre-War law enforcement, educational institutions, associations, civil groups but not joinable factions in-game, that is something different. I am rectifying the issue you just brought up. As editors, if we see a line is "tenuous at best" we should work to strengthen it and make it more clear and easy to understand by our readers, instead of keeping it the same, intentionally keeping it ambiguous. - -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 03:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Kinda Busy.
If you could pause my VTA for a bit that would be great. I'm really busy IRL right now with school and all and I wouldn't want to take up your time if I'm not using it right now. -Isis Ad Victorian! 17:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Totally! Remember real life comes first <3 - -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 17:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello
hello I am Mr.handy cogsworth i am hear for the info about my jobs

i am hear for my tasks BTW I am Mr. Handy cogsworth

Diane Sowle
Oh so you didn't add those categories on purpose. Well weird, don't have an explanation either. Jspoelstra (talk) 11:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Water tower complex and their merchants
I was trying to merge these pages and I am not sure how to proceed... or even if I should anymore. Is the "tower" an entire complex? Is it separate from the location?

https://fallout-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Water_Merchants_(location)

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Water_Merchants_(location)

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Water_tower_(Fallout)

--Ant2242 (talk) 01:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

That a part that I am not sure of, as the location (Water Merchants (location)) is a district within the Hub.--Ant2242 (talk) 08:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Whitespring
I've had a good new year, thanks, hope you had it too. Concerning the Whitespring by all means go ahead, I can go along with your plans, the content should only become better. Nice pictures too! Jspoel  17:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

RE: teaching moment
See what you mean Kate, looks harsher in retrospect, thanks for letting me know. Branebriar1930 (talk) 17:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)