User talk:Eckserah

Edits
Hmm. You told me you have made three edits and I see here that you have made four. Suspicious. - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 16:17, October 15, 2020 (UTC)


 * I now have more than 4! - Eckserah User_Eckserah.png  Head Dataminer 19:36, October 21, 2020 (UTC)

Mentor-palooza!
Looks like I forgot to login to Discord today, sorry about that. I will head there shortly and can help with anything you need. - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 22:42, November 6, 2020 (UTC)

Help
I saw your message on my talk page, I can try to help with whatever questions you have. Just let me know! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 09:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Vault Academy Progress Report #1
Well done on your first section of lessons - I have included the fancy badges you have earned below. You have shown competency through the first seven lessons and quizzes, and I am satisfied and enthusiastic about your progress. The next section will cover templates and the inner workings of articles. I would like to see you show a solid understanding of introductory templating and infoboxes throughout the next section, which spans lesson 8, lesson 9, lesson 10, and lesson 11. With your previous experience, I am sure it will be a breeze. Let me know if any questions in the meantime. Keep up the good work! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 08:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

To-Do list
Just noticed your User:Eckserah/ToDo-List, looking forward to you working on that for us, being a bit of a dataminer myself! Jspoelstra (talk) 11:54, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

What really links here
Hi!

So what's this about that tool? What are the differences between the bottom toolbar feature and it? And how does one use it? -- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 13:43, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

get it, get it
This is my 69,000th edit. It's funny, cuz the number. Get it? Eh? - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 07:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox location
You broke the infobox location template with your latest edits, affecting many pages. Better create a user template sandbox where you can experiment with first. Jspoelstra (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings
I am here, let me know what you need help with! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 03:07, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Holotape transciption
Yes, make paragraphs of them if they are all single lines coming from one person. It reads/looks better. Most of the tape transcripts are already ok, I've just about been on all holotape pages in my years here. Jspoelstra (talk) 22:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
For all you and your crew's work lately. Really helps out a lot and everything is looking really good, especially Steel Dawn. I owe you guys! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 09:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

What's up!
I am here! Let me know how I can help! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 04:24, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, can do. - kdarrow Pickman heart.png  take her for a spin! 04:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

A gift
Just realized I have not yet given you a very special gift for your inventory, and you very much so deserve one. Enjoy!

Page deletion
The state it was in was hardly valid, there was nothing except a vague title, can't really work with just that.Branebriar1930 (talk) 00:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Vault Academy check in
No pressure or anything, just wanted to check in and make sure you didn't have any questions about the next few lessons. I am here for any that come up, now or later. Just a reminder lesson #8 on templates and lesson #9 on more templates are up next. Let me know how I can help! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 14:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Coding
I'm having a small discussion with User:CompleCCity about what to do with the edid coding, see User_talk:CompleCCity. Do we use , or remove to coding all together? Jspoelstra (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, we'll remove the tt code then. Looking forward to your modules, we were looking for someone like you with data mining expertise, I'm a bit into it myself. And I'm using whatreallylinkshere regularly, works a lot better without the navbox links. We'll be in contact I'm sure down the road. Jspoelstra (talk) 21:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Finn
I think it's nonsense to have a disambig page for two characters. You can see them both already right there in the search bar when you start typing. It has to be at least three characters, any less it loses it purpose. Jspoelstra (talk) 19:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sent Kate a message. Yes, I think we have some more disambig pages with only two entries, and it's time we have a look at those. Even pages like The Pitt, or Far Harbor. Jspoelstra (talk) 19:32, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Needs to be rewritten. Would indicate creating disambig pages for, as an example, weapon mods, which is madness. Jspoelstra (talk) 19:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Flamingo things
Thank you so much for adding the missing formids I needed on the 76 flamingo article. For some reason, ecksEdit is being slow for me today so I kinda gave up. I appreciate it very, super much! - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 16:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

GECK
I don't agree with the suffixes on the Garden of Eden Creation Kit page. When you check other Category:Miscellaneous items overview pages you'll see we remove it using the pipe. Goes in fact for all the item pages. It isn't necessary because it's already disambiguated with the game in the box to the left. Jspoelstra (talk) 15:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Well if you really want to get technical not every one of the G.E.C.K.s are actually misc items. Also from a reader's perspective having the links all say the same thing looks like they just point back to the page you are already on. Having the link text being the same as the link differentiates them more at a glance. - Eckserah User_Eckserah.png  Head Dataminer 21:58, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The game notation in the box left to it already denotes it properly. All these kind of pages, so what links to Gamearticlelist use this format. I've undone it again, if you really want to drive it to the letter, take it up with a mediatior, an admin, I suggest AllYourFavorites. Jspoelstra (talk) 15:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Bot
No, I'm not running a bot and I don't know how. If you think a bot can be run on your created categories, you can always ask someone else who knows how to run one. Jspoelstra (talk) 18:39, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you planning to ask someone to use a bot on these maintenance categories? Jspoelstra (talk) 14:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Currency
I've created a caps template to be used on pages with the cap currency. You could do the same with other currencies like gold bullion. But I do need to know you have the ok from Tagaziel and/or AllYourFavorites about using the currency images like this. Jspoelstra (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Values
Ok, thanks for fixing that! Jspoel  14:50, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Final progress report
Fantastic work! This is your last progress report for the Vault Academy. I am so proud! You have completed all of your lessons, passed all the quizzes, and now can take the final exam at your leisure. I hope that you have learned a lot, and that this is only the beginning of your fine wiki editing career. Remember that I am still here to answer any questions from here on out, even though you are no longer a mentee. Well, before I get all misty-eyed, here are your badges. Congrats! You earned them. - kdarrow   take her for a spin! 23:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Final exam success
You passed your final, so here is your last badge. Way to go!

Re: Line break tags
Sorry, as a programmer I'm just used to &lt;br&gt; being an empty tag, especially since now every wiki is running on HTML5 anyway. I'll keep that in mind, though. Thanks for the info! △ GabWas [✉] 10:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Form ID
Hey, I'm considering renaming the form id code in the infoboxes back to baseid again. When you look at the Form ID page, the form id exists of two components, the base id (creating multiple copies of the item) and the ref id (moving to that item). So according to that page, form id exists of two components and that makes it incorrect in the infoboxes. We'd have a form id coding (base id + ref id), and a ref id. It's confusing. Another thing, you have created a TableLoopTest template, what does that do, and a module with a red-linked category. What purpose does that module (Module: String) have? Jspoel  18:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You'd know better then I. I trust you make adjustments to our Form ID page then. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 19:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I take it the base ids on character pages like Mr. Clark should be changed to form id as well? Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 19:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Rolling back rep
I'm rolling back reputation because empty tables look worse than the fix I implemented. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 18:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Splitting perk pages
I'm see many split templates on perk pages like Gun Fu to name one. If you're planning for that there needs to be community sensus in my opinion as it's affecting the wiki content to a great degree. Jspoel  21:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which Fallout 76 perk pages did we already split then? Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 12:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Abb
I don't know what purpose the change to the Abb template has, but we now have an error on the Flip page, top right corner above the infobox. Jspoel  17:45, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You changed it from FWW to FOWW so doing that seems to have fixed it. Still I don't see the value of those categories, there's nothing in it now. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 18:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Fair editing
When someone has edited something and you think the edit is unnecessary, the best course of action is to create a talk page discussion or to message them directly first (not the editing party's duty). Rollback should be the last course of action, especially since editing is free to everyone and perceived mistakes or problems can be fixed instead of whole edits removed. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 01:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Template tweak
See my talk page. Would you be willing to handle? Great Mara left some direction. I am fixated on ski lifts right now but seems like an asap sort of need. I would appreciate it to the moon and back <3 - -kdarrow  take her for a spin! 00:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Re:Mobile Infoboxes
No, it doesn't. Fandom updated the mobile site for this wiki to their latest platform which preserves the removed attributes.

Kudak (talk) 01:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hate to be rude here m8 but we have been discussing these changes on the Discord and you are sort of breaking a whole lot of work by reverting these changes bud.


 * Kudak (talk) 01:35, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * These changes were thoroughly tested by myself on both desktop and mobile sites. The new mobile site IS emitting these styles and it IS disrupting the mobile infobox experience on the wiki. If you took the time to look at how the revisions that I made impacted the mobile site before mass-reverting my changes you would have noticed this.


 * Kudak (talk) 01:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Removing the vignette scaling was intentional. When you hard-code scaling like that it scales for both desktop and for mobile devices. On desktop this is fine as I created the infoboxes to work in this way. At the time I created them the mobile skin didn't have issues stripping the styles out and rescaling the images to fit the device viewport. That is no longer the case. The hard-coded image scaling now causes the images to not fit the infobox anymore on the mobile site, causing them to sit left-justified. CSS scaling on a large image on desktop, which has been added to the infobox css, isn't perfect but at such a small resolution you wouldn't be able to discern any imperfections anyway.


 * Again, had you bothered to look at how the changes that I made impacted the mobile site then you would have seen that I corrected an issue in order to improve the mobile experience as well as compensating for these revisions on the desktop with CSS. Reverting my revisions en masse was the wrong course of action to take and it comes off as heavy handed. You are free to discuss these changes with me on the Discord server if you would like.


 * Kudak (talk) 01:58, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The image scaling on the server-side vs. css scaling do not make a massive amount of difference when a 1000x1000px image is reduced to having a width of 242px max, less than 1/4 of the resolution. Furthermore, to get full resolution, or a higher resolution, you can always click, or tap, on the image in order to view it in a light box. Your issue with images being too large for the infobox was caused by some faulty CSS. That is my fault but it was remedied just before you started your mass-revert effort.


 * As for your proposal to render things differently in wikitext depending on the platform that is being targeted... I am going to have to assume that you have not been keeping up with FANDOM's portability goals for the last few years. If you had you would know that the emphasis is on writing templates that target mobile devices first and which can be themed on desktop using CSS in order to provide a more full and comprehensive look. There is no mechanism that will allow you to write wikitext one way for the mobile skin and another for the desktop. Not only this but FANDOM has been clear that they do not want to encourage nor enable this sort of thing as it breaks parity between the two formats and leads to feature drift where one platform is neglected in favor of maintaining the other.


 * If it would quell your concerns I can always ask the FANDOM staffer in charge of portability efforts to come in and have a look at the changes that I proposed to see if they line up with how FANDOM envisions that things should be done.


 * Kudak (talk) 02:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Crafting table FO76
What's the difference between the crafting table template and the crafting table FO76 template? Is it to work better on mobile? Then what about the Fallout 4 pages? Those still use the original crafting table. Jspoel  13:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * An anomymous user changed the Form ID page again. Can you take a look at it? Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 13:55, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * And we have an Mbox test template. If you don't have plans with that we might just as well delete it. Otherwise use the Test template (without documentation). Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 14:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * How do you fix the pages in the Category:Template Fixes (Crafting table FO76)/Uses breakdown category? It would nice to see some explanation how to fixes pages in these kind of categories in for example the category page where they are in. Now people are guessing what to do. I was. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 18:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I just saw the documentation of the crafting table, so ok, you got the documentation in order. Still, how can you remove the pages from aformentioned category? Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 18:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Who came up with the idea to remove the required crafting tables to convert an item into components (Chalk (Fallout 76) to name one)? I'd say leave them there. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 18:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

NOTY 2020
Howdy! Congrats on being one the nominees for NOTY. Just like the discussions ping, I'm reaching out to let you know. If you want, you can say something to highlight why you feel you are the user of the year. Here are some examples other users have had in the past.

If and when you decide what you would like to say, copy it and send it to me. I'll give you a few easy options to reach me since not everyone is everywhere. You can leave a message on my talk page, you can @ me anywhere on the nuka discord, or you can @ me on the 2021 off-Topic thread. If you do not intend to write a message or if you want to decline the nomination, please let me know as well, so I'm not having to track someone down to squeeze an answer out of anyone. There's no deadline to reply, but I would appreciate it if it's sooner rather than later.

Thanks, The Dyre Wolf (talk) 04:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Seth
Wikipedia has a similar policy. If you plan to state that we have a different policy than Wikipedia, actually check that it is different. Wikipedia has the same policy, except it also describes how to determine ambiguity. Since we fall back to WP's manual of style and practices in the absence of our own, I took the liberty of applying them here.

In this case, the question is whether Seth is a primary topic or not, and there are two criteria to consider: Usage and long-term significance. The two are largely tied together (topics relevant long-term will also see high usage, in essence). So, some of the tools used to determine primacy are web traffic and backlinks. I took a gander at Google Analytics and in the 10 year period between 2011 and 2020, the Fo1 Seth accounted for some 87% visits, whereas the Fo3 and real Seth McCaughey accounted for a little over 2.5% each.

Our internal links also reflect the primacy of Fallout's Seth:


 * Seth: 92 backlinks.

Others:


 * Seth (Fallout 3): Three backlinks.
 * Seth (Fallout 4): Three backlinks.
 * Seth (Fallout 76): Three backlinks.
 * Seth McCaughey: Five backlinks.

Seth is not an ambiguous term. This is reflected in hard data. Thus the move. Tägäżïël 19:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I just explained to you the reasoning here, which is based on hard data, not "what first comes to mind". You have entirely failed to actually provide any meaningful counterpoint and, judging by your reply, entirely ignored the information provided above - evident when you claim I've ignored "2 game releases that added characters of the same name". I didn't. They simply weren't visited at all.
 * I didn't. You literally have that outlined above, also explaining that these "added characters" are not even present in the games, but mentioned in single notes. Coupled with the amount of backlinks and visits, it's clear that the primary topic whenever someone looks Seth up is the Seth from Fallout 1, which shouldn't be a surprise given that he is an actual character in the game and is later referenced in Fallout: New Vegas as the founder of the NCR Rangers, who feature prominently in the story.
 * Again, the policy is a simplification of Wikipedia's and ambiguity is a condition sine qua non, by both our standards and Wikipedia's. Our policy even states that multiple meanings but only if they are ambiguous:

"If a given term can refer to multiple articles (i.e. if it is "ambiguous")..."


 * "I.e." or id est stands for that is and clarifies that the requirement for disambiguation is that the terms must actually be unclear and/or capable of being confused. Given the number of backlinks and prominence of Fo1's Seth (again, one of the first characters you meet tied to Shady Sands quests either as a mandatory stop or a source of additional information, also mentioned in Fo2 (just checked, Tandi explicitly names him) and FNV), compared to the mentioned-only characters (single throw-away mentions in single notes), it is unclear, to me, how this could possibly be confused.
 * In fact, what's confusing is trying to pass all four Seths as equal by following your particular interpretation of the policy, in a situation when they absolutely do not have a comparable level of prominence. Tägäżïël 11:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)