Beyond the Beef

Beyond the Beef is a side quest in Fallout: New Vegas

Description
Well-known brahmin rancher Heck Gunderson asks the Courier to track down his son Ted, who disappeared in the Ultra-Luxe Casino Hotel. Ted was kidnapped by Mortimer of the White Glove Society, who is attempting to return the White Glove Society to cannibalism. Warning: This quest is tied to Pheeble Will, if you choose the revenge way to kill Heck Gunderson and/or his son. Depending on your choice, you can fail this quest, or you won't be able to help Caesar's Legion in the quest Render Unto Caesar.

Quick Walkthrough
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 * Go to the Ultra-Luxe casino and speak with Heck Gunderson or learn about him by Walter Phebus.
 * Speak with Marjorie and then Mortimer, the managers of the Ultra-Luxe.
 * Help return Heck Gunderson's son to him alive, curing the White Glove Society cannibalism in the process
 * Help return Heck Gunderson's son to him alive and help Mortimer return the White Glove Society to cannibalism by killing one of your human companions or a man named Carlyle St. Clair.
 * Kill and cook Heck Gunderson's son, blame his father for the death, and help the White Glove Society return to cannibalism.
 * Kill every White glove member you see on the way to Ted and lead him out Alive. (Best done with a Companion)

Detailed Walkthrough
In the Ultra-Luxe casino you'll find Heck Gunderson, a wealthy Brahmin Baron, sitting at the bar and upset about his missing son. After questioning the purpose of his visit, you can offer assistance in finding his son, Ted Gunderson. Then go talk with Marjorie, one of the managers of the Ultra-Luxe Casino & Hotel, located at the Gourmand restaurant and learn that a bride went missing in the hotel, which is damaging their reputation. At some point in the conversation she will inform you that the White Glove Society were cannibals, but this practice is now forbidden. You have the option to tell her that you are a cannibal too, as a lie (unless you have the Cannibal perk), which does not impress her and will lead to White Glove Society infamy.

After you inform her that you are looking for another man, much to her disbelief, she will tell you to find the other manager, Mortimer. When talking to Mortimer you have several options.


 * you can lie, with a speech of 62, or use the cannibal perk, to tell him that you are a cannibal too (no infamy gained), he will be euphoric and explain his plan to return the White Glove Society to cannibalism, by killing or arranging a substitute for Ted Gunderson
 * you also can lie about being a cannibal with a speech of 62 or the cannibal perk, listen to his plan and lie again that you will help him
 * you can follow Marjorie's advice and ask him about an investigator searching for clues from a missing bride in the hotel

Working with Mortimer
Mortimer is very displeased that the Society is denying their basic impulses and wishes the return of the old practices. For this, he will arrange a banquet in which members will be served meals prepared with human flesh. For this purpose he arranged a kidnap, but the victim was able to escape. Having to find a substitute at the last minute, he kidnapped Ted Gunderson, son of Heck Gunderson, a very powerful Brahmin Baron.

Mortimer wants to get rid of Ted in a way that doesn't leave any suspicion for the Ultra-Luxe; or, if it's not possible, kill Ted and use him as a meal, framing his father for the death. If you want to spare Ted's life you have to provide a substitute for the banquet, which can be one of your human companions if you give this suggestion to him or the original victim that was able to escape, Carlyle St. Clair. He then will provide keys for the Ultra-Luxe freezer, Gourmand kitchen and Ultra-Luxe Penthouse, as well a Cattle Prod

Now you have to choose what your course of action will be: if you want to return Ted alive or not.


 * If going after Carlyle St. Clair and you are not presented with the USE option on the dumpster after knocking him out, load your last auto-save and if you have a high enough speech you allow him to believe that he has a chance to join the White Glove Society.

Return Ted to his father and find a substitute for the banquet

 * If you want to return Ted alive to his father, go to the Gourmand restaurant and use the elevator to go to the basement
 * A White Glove Society guard will ask what you are doing there. Inform him that Mortimer wishes to get rid of the kid without arising suspicion, if he cooperates.
 * Open the freezer and talk to Ted. You have to lie about the people who did this to him and pass a 38 speech check, indicating that maybe it was some competitors trying to screw his father's negotiation about Brahmin with the "White Pants Society" (in Ted's own words).
 * Leave with him by the Gourmand restaurant kitchen. If you try to use the members-only door everyone in the basement will turn hostile (even if you don't open the door)
 * Guide Ted to his father, who will be furious and demand to know who did this to Ted. Lie that you don't know and receive 500 caps from him, as well White Glove Society fame.

Now you have to find a substitute for the banquet. EITHER sacrifice one of your human companions, go to the kitchen and lock them in the freezer; this will end the quest (be sure to take all equipment they are carrying). OR you have to travel to the north and find Carlyle St. Clair and convince him to go to the Ultra-Luxe, or knock him unconscious and put his corpse in a dumpster close to his house. His home is located close to Freeside North Entrance; travel to the gate and follow the road between north and northeast in a straight line.

You are also able to kill the cook and take his recipes, creating a human flesh alternative that would fool Mortimer where you are then able to allow him to reveal himself at the banquet without having to have killed anyone but the cook; you can also use barter, medicine and speech to accomplish getting the recipes and ridding the cook without having to kill him. (I killed Mortimer before hand so I was never able to play it out to the full in that scenario, but am assured it will work)

There are a lot of ways to deal with Carlyle St. Clair. You can convince him to go to the Ultra-Luxe with a 65 speech check; if you have the Black Widow or Confirmed Bachelor perk you can propose to have sex with him in the dumpster; with 45 guns you can pistol-whip him; asking him about himself will reveal he was black-labeled by his family and with a 45 speech you can convince him that the White Glove Society can clean his name; asking about a pain he has in the neck will lead to a 7 strength, 45 medicine and 45 unarmed that will knock him unconscious. If you don't have any of these skills, use a Cattle Prod that Mortimer provided you (make sure that your companions are away if not they may accidentally kill him). Drag his corpse to the dumpster and place him inside.

Go back to Mortimer after dealing with St. Clair, or your companion, and gain 500 XP and a huge boost of Strip and White Glove Society fame. This concludes the quest and the White Glove will return to cannibalism after the 7PM banquet.

Kill Ted, and frame his Father for the murder

 * If you want to kill Ted, use him as a meal and frame his father, go to the Gourmand restaurant and use the elevator to go to the basement
 * A White Glove Society guard will ask what you are doing and you inform him that Mortimer wishes to get rid of the kid, if he cooperates
 * Open the freezer and talk to Ted. You have the option to talk a little or simply tell him that you are finishing what the White Gloves started (he will turn hostile)
 * Before exiting, collect a bit of blood and some remains from the corpse to frame his father

After killing Ted go to the Ultra-Luxe Penthouse, the elevator is located in a room behind Mortimer. There will be two body-guards in the suite, you can kill them without karma penalty. Then distribute the blood and remains of Ted in the bed and in the bathroom sink, go to the Strip and inform a Securitron that a murder happened in the Ultra-Luxe. After making a surreal and mocking speech about the law, the Securitron will proceed to arrest Heck Gunderson, who will resist and end up being killed.

Go back to Mortimer and gain 500 XP, Strip and White Glove Society fame, and turned them into cannibals after the 7Pm banquet.

Extra Info: This is the way to complete this quest and Pheeble Will if you choose the revenge way by killing Heck and Ted. Also, this will permit the courier to complete the entire line of tasks in Render Unto Caesar

Following the Investigator
There is also a way to save Ted and prevent the White Glove Society to return to cannibalism

After talking to Marjorie about the disappearance of Ted she will tell you that an investigator is looking for clues about a missing bride that was at the hotel. She will point you to Mortimer, who will tell that the investigator is still in the hotel and gives a key to his room. You also have a option to ask him about the White Glove Society's fame of being cannibals and the option to lie with a speech of 62 or use the cannibal perk that you, too, are a cannibal. At first he will tell you the same information and requirements as if you are indeed helping him to turn the Society into cannibalism, but you also have a option to lie that you will help him. He will provide keys for the Ultra-Luxe freezer, Gourmand kitchen and Ultra-Luxe Penthouse, which come in handy if you are a low-level courier or wish to use them later.

Go to the investigator's room, located in the Ultra-Luxe Hotel Rooms, only to find him dead and the room a mess. Immediately after you enter the room two White Glove Society's members will appear armed with Dress Cane and start to attack. After killing them search the investigator's body and grab the Matchbook note, which will tell you that he had a meeting with someone in the Ultra-Luxe Steam room at 4PM.

Note: Quicksave often, the steam room area is prone to make the game crash at any moment, even if you are standing still in the middle of the room alone. Is better to enter the room only at or a little after 4PM.

After going to the steam room you will meet Chauncey, a member of the White Glove Society who regrets the path they turned to and was helping the investigator. When questioned, he tells you that Mortimer was behind the missing person, Ted Gunderson, and is planning a banquet at 7PM, in which food made with human flesh will be served. In this way, the white Glove Society will pass the taboo and will return to cannibalism after Mortimer makes a speech telling them what they ate. Chauncey doesn't know where Ted is and points to the members only section of the Ultra-Luxe, but he tells you that if Ted is seen in the hotel the other members will likely turn hostile for protecting the secret. He gives the suggestion that if you find Ted in the members section, drug the wine with a anesthetic and escape with Ted OR expose Mortimer with a fake meal, since he is planning a speech to reveal the whole charade. According to Chauncey, at the end of the speech you will enter with Ted alive and expose Mortimer. Right after you say goodbye an assassin will enter the room and kill Chauncey.

Note: Chauncey is scripted to die. Even if you kill the assassin before a single shot is fired against Chauncey he will still die instantly, as if he had been shot.

You then need to enter the members-only section; for this you will need a sponsor. If your reputation on the Strip is at least "accepted", Marjorie will gladly do it, as well provide Formal Wear and the key to the members-only section. If your reputation is too low, this where the keys provided by Mortimer earlier come in hand. Go to the Gourmand restaurant and enter the basement by the kitchen door.

As you approach the kitchen a White Glove Society guard will ask what you are doing there and with a 55 speech you lie that Mortimer wants to move the kid. If you can't pass the check, use a 35 Repair that you are a plumber checking for leaks.

Then you need to get rid of Philippe, the cook, in order to open the freezer and free Ted. You have to do this anyway if you wish to fake the food and expose Mortimer. You could simply kill him if you wish and the guard that is patrolling the corridors, although this can lead (but not always) to White Glove Society infamy and possibly vilify you.

However, if you wish to simply serve a fake meal and expose Mortimer, talk to him, he will reply in a very rude and arrogant manner. If you say that he can't talk to you like that he becomes even more rude and arrongant and you have the opportunity to get the recipe and the key from him:

Medicine check: With a 55 medicine you can tell him that he's arrogant because of projecting his hate, since he was abandoned by his father, abused by his mother and beaten by his brothers and sisters in his infancy. He then will give you both the recipe and a key to the freezer where Ted is being held and flee.

Alternative barter check: a 55 barter check saying that you are a literary agent looking to publish a cookbook. After more arrogant conversation, pass another 55 speech check and he will give his recipes (or you can pay 100 caps for them). But you will still have to get the key from him and find a way to get rid of him.

You could kill him (results in good karma) or, alternatively, you can just pickpocket him for the key and lock him in the freezer. You lie that a radroach is in the pantry and lock the door with the terminal, trap him inside. This option give you bad karma and he will not give you the key to the freezer, so you will have to have pickpocket it from him. Accessing the very-easy terminal to open the door will also lead to more bad karma (again, Mortimer's keys comes in hand).

If you wish to cook the Imitation Strange Meat Pie and expose Mortimer, you will need Philippe's recipe and 6 intelligence or 75 survival to improvise one.

If you wish to drug the wine simply go to the room next to the kitchen and put one of your Med-X in the bottle. There is also a wine bottle above the stove where you cook the meat, on a shelf, that can be used to drug the bottle.

You don't need to drug the wine AND make the fake meal, you only need to use one of the options. After choosing, use the intercom to call the head waiter. Once he has left, free Ted and have him follow you. It's advisable to free Ted only after the head waiter has collected the wine (or meal) and left as seeing Ted will turn the waiter hostile. When you open the door Ted will be very upset, demanding to know who did this to him. You have the option to lie or tell him the truth. Lying will result in White Glove Society fame and telling the truth requires a speech later with his father.

Have Ted follow out of the kitchen and to the right, being careful to make sure the waiter isn't still walking back. Follow the stairs up and go through the door to the White Glove private dining area (if you're not a member you'll need to use a key pickpocketed from Marjorie - with a loss of karma - or Mortimer) and crouch down. Hide behind the bar until Mortimer has finished his speech (leaving early will turn the members hostile). As soon as he finishes, run over to him and initiate dialogue. Exposing him will cause him to flee but the other diners - the ones who might otherwise have attacked you - should remain neutral. Talk to Marjorie for a lot of White Glove fame (one does instantly become Idolized from Neutral at this point).

Alternative: If you wish to complete Pheeble Will as well as this quest you can at this point. Simply head to the Ultra-Luxe Penthouse with Ted Gunderson still following you and he will turn hostile, allowing you to kill him and the two guards in the room. You can then return to Heck Gunderson and tell him Ted's dead to complete the quest. After this you can, assuming you have high enough Stealth and a decent holdout weapon, kill Heck Gunderson whilst Hidden to complete Pheeble Will.

Return with Ted to his father. If you didn't lie to Ted in the freezer, he will tell his father what happened and Heck wants to impose a blockade of food on the Strip. You have the option to not let this happen with a 35 speech check, which will lead to Strip fame. If you are unable to pass the check you will gain infamy. If you lied to Ted in the freezer, his father asks who was behind the kidnapping. If you tell the truth you have to pass the same 35 speech check, but this time you will only gain Strip fame. If you lie to him you will gain Strip and White Glove Society fame.

Wearing White Glove Society attire when re-entering the room in which Heck Gunderson is waiting will cause him and his guards to attack the other members of the White Glove Society. This will cause you to gain infamy with the White Glove Society and The Strip.

After this the quest is concluded you gain 500XP, 500 caps and more Strip and White Glove Society fame.

Video Walkthrough
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The Bloodthirsty Courier
You also have the unmarked option to apply Wasteland manners in the pedant face of the White Glove Society, if you don't mind the possibility of being vilified by them.

Follow the quest in the same manner to save Ted, by lying that you will help Mortimer or by following Marjorie's advice about the investigator.

After discovering from Chauncey the plans regarding Ted, the courier has the unmarked option to tell "Hurricane Heck" Gunderson what's happening. His solution? Simply shoot everyone in your way, providing you with a Sawed-off Shotgun and some shells. Note that if you do this, you can kill all White Gloves in the casino (no karma loss) and never have your weapons taken again, and, even go into the cashier's office and clean it out and get your possessions back, and suffer only minor karma loss for opening/stealing things. Then you have all your weapons and can continue the quest uninterrupted, although you may want to disguise as a White Glove to prevent unwanted attacks. Just be sure not to kill Marjorie or Mortimer or the quest will fail. Even after all the killing, once you complete the quest you will still go from hated to idolized by the White Gloves!

You still have to find a sponsor for entering the members-only section, so talk with Marjorie about being a member of the White Glove Society if your reputation on the Strip is at least "Accepted". You may want to do this before killing anyone.

She will give you the key for the members-only section and a Formal Wear (or use the Gourmand kitchen door applying a 62 speech check on Mortimer, using the cannibal perk or pick-pocketing the key from him).

Proceed to the kitchen in the Gourmand and go down the elevator or enter by the members-only section. You will be approached by one White Glove guard who asks what you are doing there. With a 55 speech you can lie and tell that Mortimer wants the kid moved. With a 35 repair you can tell him that you are a plumber checking for leaks.

Remember that your MAIN objective is getting Ted alive to his father, the rest of the steps in the quest are optional.

Proceed to the kitchen and then to the freezer, next to Philippe, the cook of White Glove Society. Freeing Ted will make Philippe immediately hostile, as well any members inside the basement, including the two roasting Brahmins with flamers. If you choose to lead Ted by the White Glove Society member's saloon everyone will be hostile to the courier, his companions and Ted, so be prepared for a tough fight. If choose leaving by the Gourmand restaurant the fight will be much easier, since only three or four members will attack you (the guests and others will flee or be passive).

It will help in both cases to have good sneak for holdout weapons, and melee/unarmed skills.

After entering the casino with Ted, more members of the White Glove will turn hostile, but not the gamblers unless they are attacked, so be prepared for more fighting (at this point Heck Gunderson and his body-guard will join the fun, armed with Caravan shotguns). After the fight ends and you return Ted to Heck, you will you gain a huge White Glove Society fame, which has the possibility to turn your status with them into something other than Vilified, and Strip fame.

Failing the cooperation of Mortimer or Marjorie (you don't have the required reputation and don't want to take the time to acquire it) you can make use of the trusty stealth boy. Simply walk to the locked kitchen door in the Gourmand and activate the stealth boy. Pick the lock to the kitchen door and proceed within. If you are accompanied by a companion (say, Veronica and under-cover Brotherhood member) they won't even notice her as you walk by the Brahmin cookers. Proceed to the basement and walk into the kitchen and confront Philippe. The hallway guard will ignore you if your stealth boy is in effect.

Challenge Philippe and tell him you'll knock him around. When he attacks with a cleaver, pull out a weapon. If you have the silenced .22 from the assassin in the bathhouse, this works nicely. Pop a cap in his head and take his freezer keys (he's tough - it might take several shots and the assist of your companion). Free Ted with the key. About the time you return to the kitchen your stealth boy will have worn off. Use another and proceed down the hall the way you came. You will be able to walk by the two Brahmin cookers with Ted and your companion without any trouble. Go back out into the Gourmand and proceed back to Heck with his son and reunite them. The effects of your stealth boy should still be active, and and will allow you to walk right past Mortimer without being challenged.

Heck will then thank you for recovering his son and suggest a blockade of food to the Strip, which will lead to Strip infamy unless you are able to pass a 35 speech check telling him that the Strip is not to be blamed for the White Glove misbehavior. Succeeding the speech leads to more Strip fame.

The quest is completed, you gain 500 XP and 500 caps from Heck and the white Glove Society is cured from its cannibalism.

Interestingly enough, you still can enter the casino and play (assuming that someone is alive to sell you chips, of course).

Behind the scenes

 * The quest name is based on the Marty Robbins song "Beyond the Reef".
 * Beyond the Beef was designed by Eric Fenstermaker.
 * If the Courier has the Wild Wasteland trait, then after framing Heck Gunderson, the Securitron sent to arrest him is quoted just before shooting him "Dead or alive you're coming with me." Quote from the movie Robocop (1987). Voice and inflection sound similar to that of Robocop as well.

Bugs
(It is possible that occasional White Gloves through the hotel will remain hostile to you after you leave the Members Only Section. For this reason I would recommend leaving all companions behind, and relying on stealth boy/melee stealth kills to deal with them.  If the hostile White Gloves attack, all other White Gloves will turn hostile.)
 * Ted Gunderson may become stuck in combat mode, and will not follow you through area transitions. To correct, fast travel to The Strip North Gate, Ted should appear shortly. When re-entering the Strip, be cautious as Ted does not have a passport and will be shot by security if you do not make it to the gate fast enough.
 * If you are working with the Legion, and leave Boone in the freezer as a substitute meal, make sure you kill him before locking him in. "Back" him up into the freezer, kill him, return the Gundersen kid to his father, and then tell Mortimer. If you do not kill Boone first, even if you hire another companion after he's been eaten, when you go to the Legion camp, you will be perceived as hostile and attacked on sight.
 * When you enter the Members Only section to expose Mortimer by having Ted Gunderson with you, Mortimer may begin to walk toward the door and end up leaving the room before he finishes his speech. If you confront him before the speech ends, you will fail to expose him since he did not yet say anything about eating humans. However, once he leaves the room you may not expose him. The best solution is to keep blocking him with your body while he tries to go out, slowing his advance and buying enough time for the speech to finish. As soon as he finishes the speech, talk to him and expose him.
 * If you choose to leave Boone in the freezer, you will not receive his ending as if you had never met him. This happens whether he is dead or alive when locked in. May be true for the other human companions as well, only tested with Boone.
 * If you complete the request and kill Mortimer and/or Marjorie but without drugging the wine, you can go to the kitchen afterwards, drug the wine and both will respawn for some reason, but will only offer non-quest related dialogue.
 * If you go into the Penthouse Suite upon completion of the quest, two identical 'Gundersons Hired Hand' NPC's will be inside. They will follow you around the suite with their guns drawn, but will not attack. They will not be there with you when you leave the suite, but will when you re-enter. (They spawn further into the suite, and will not be with you as soon as you come out of the elevator) You can attack both NPC's and they wont retaliate, and you will not gain negative karma for doing so. Both NPC's carry caravan shotguns and some ammo, which can be looted from their bodies once dead.
 * There is a possible bug where if the player completes 'the courier that broke the bank' trophy, and becomes hostile to the White Gloves, upon entering the Ultra-Luxe casino floor the game will freeze every time.
 * If you choose to leave Boone in the freezer as a substitute, you will be perceived hostile by the NCR no matter your status you can equip NCR uniform to negate this issue. You will no longer be able to recruit Arcade as a companion, the dialogue option does not appear.
 * Entering the Ultra-Luxe and immediately attacking can result in a very interesting questing experience. There is no conversation option to leave the casino - the player must either surrender their weapons or attack the guard. If the player chooses to attack the guard, the casino section will become hostile and attack - but not the rest of the hotel. All quest NPCs will remain friendly. The player can proceed with the quest normally, although Marjorie may become hostile at random, causing some resolutions to be impossible. Additionally, Heck Gunderson will not have the conversation options necessary for him to give you the shotgun and proceed to kill the White Gloves. The player can bring Ted Gunderson back to resolve the quest, but cannot convince Heck to rampage through the casino.
 * You may enter the Dining Room with Ted (Mortimer will be in the middle of speech), leave the Room right away, enter the Room again (no speech heard) and start talking to Mortimer immediately.
 * If you experience a lot of crashes on the PC version within the Ultra-Luxe, try sending all of your companions back to the Lucky 38.
 * Choosing to pistol whip Carlyle St. Clair [Guns 45] can cause him to die and the quest to be marked as a failure.
 * If the character gets the recipe from Phillipe, pickpockets him for it, or even kills him, the mission arrow will always point to him and never to the stove, which is used to cook the recipe.
 * If you speak to Mortimer but do not lie about cannibalism, that speech option disappears and you cannot then get the 3 keys he offers when you help him. Luckily you can pickpocket him and get the kitchen key, which prevents the infamy gain you'd otherwise get picking the kitchen door.  (I never managed to take the freezer key though, so if you want to take that route follow the above closely!!)
 * When waiting to meet the investigator's contact, Chauncey, in the bath house, the game crashes. Use wait and quick save frequently to work around it. It's confirmed that with or without companions this is likely to happen for different reasons, so quick save often and try to stay as little as possible in the steam room (enter the room only at 4PM or little after and go straight to him) Update: There is a mod at http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37351 which fixes the crashes/lockups at the bath house. (
 * Completing the conversation with Chauncey and attempting to leave the Bathhouse through the north-eastern door to the Casino Floor locks the game en route. Loading an older save (prior to entering the Ultra-Luxe) and going through the quest again from the beginning did not resolved the issue.  Somehow circumvented by either constantly quick-saving or not looting either Chauncey or the Assassin, or both.
 * If you sneak into the kitchen of the White Glove Society prior to starting Heck's quest, it still allows you to drug the wine and call the head waiter down. If you do this, and then start the quest, you are now unable to do a few of the optional objectives that involve drugging the wine and calling the head waiter down.  However, the quest is still able to be completed.
 * If you don't pick the dialog option when speaking to Chauncey asking about "other suggestions for freeing Ted" you will NOT get the additional option to prepare the fake meal to oust Mortimer. The oven will not be accessible to make the fake strange meat pies and you will not be able to call down the Head Waiter to pick up the fake strange meat pies.  The only options left will be to kill everyone on your way out or drug the wine to sneak past.
 * If you left your NPC's in the kitchen area and attempt to go back to retrieve them without taking Ted to his father first, Ted's AI might bug out and he'll go retrieve a weapon in the basement. Then stand still in an attack pose refusing to follow you. And if you bring your NPC's up to the White Glove Society room without being a member (after dealing with Mortimer) they will be hostile to your NPC's and begin attacking.
 * A fix is to simply "Wait" (T) for one hour before you try to bring him through a door, as he will then temporarily holster his weapon and proceed through doors normally.
 * If Ted cannot follow you (you enter a different room and he does not follow) simply go to the room where his father is and type the following into the console:  and hit enter. Then type  and Ted will appear.
 * Or type the following into the console: and hit enter.
 * If you kill everyone and find Ted in the kitchen, when you bring him back to his father, you'll get the same dialogue as if you were starting the quest.
 * After framing Heck Gunderson, when the securitron confronts him, if you leave the area during their conversation and come back they will not finish it and just stand together from then on.
 * Just after starting the quest, when the Courier is sent to talk to Marjorie, she can become "stuck" in the Members Only Section dining area, preventing quest progression (this problem has also been reported on the PC version). Assuming for whatever reason that it is not possible to load an earlier save, the easiest way to progress from here is to pickpocket a white glove and take their Members Key.  Then get a Stealth Boy and sneak into the Members Only section.  Although it is filled with enemies, Marjorie remains friendly, so sneak over to her, leave sneak and immediately initiate speech, then drop back into sneak mode after the conversation is finished.  Leaving sneak mode will cause all enemies in the area to get up from their seats and immediately start searching for you, but if you use a stealth boy it is possible to remain hidden until "Caution" is replaced by "Hidden", allowing you to leave the area and continue the quest as normal (talking to Marjorie causes her to return to her welcome desk outside the Gourmand).
 * Sometimes the remains from Ted Gunderson are not provided after killing him. You can add the samples via the console with:
 * If you choose to cook the imitation meat to expose Mortimer and you have killed White Glove Society guards in the kitchen area, Mortimer may never make his speech. The entire dining room (except Mortimer) will become hostile to you and Ted unless you are wearing a White Glove Society disguise (there is one guard who will still recognise you and become hostile). In this case, you will need to return to the main lobby (guards will attack you) and once all the guards are dealt with, Ted and Heck will meet, allowing you to talk to Heck and finish the quest.
 * The Securitron sent to apprehend Heck Gunderson will be a Mk I variety even if you've upgraded the Securitrons to Mk II software.
 * After you send the fake human meat up, you are supposed to head up
 * Sometimes, when reuniting Ted and Heck a White Glove Society member behind a roulette table will be knocked unconscious.
 * If you convince Ted to follow you, and go to the Ultra-Luxe Penthouse, he will immediately turn hostile.

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