User talk:Kdarrow

Hi, it's me, Kate! I am glad you are here. Please leave me a note. Happy trails!

- kdarrow   take her for a spin!

Congrats on 99,999 edits!
May the cheese be with you! - D-Class Personnel, 17:21, 1 March 2021 (EST)

Important
Hop onto Discord when you see this.  寧靜 19:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations on 100k edits!
Why hello there you wonderful person! I wanted to congratulate you on your spectacular accomplishment! You've done so much and learned so much through all of these edits and I'm constantly learning things from you because of that. Your work with the dataminers and your amazing work with helping teach me the ins and outs of the wiki and editing have been just awesome. I'm so happy that you made it this far and not that long after getting your Savior of the Damned badge too! You have been such a bright guiding light for so many editors and I hope that you realize how important you are to people.

To my extra special mentor - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 23:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Congratz for reaching 100 000 edits
Keep on reaching for the stars!

Congratulations!
I cannot begin to tell you how proud I feel seeing you reach 100k edits! What you said in your blog meant a lot to me. But enough about me - it's your big day! Congratulations again, and best of luck in your future projects. You are a total class-act and everything a user should strive to be in your commendable work ethic, friendliness, and overall amazingness. Bask in it, you've earned it! AllYourFavorites (talk) 01:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Questions
Heya! Can you get in touch with me when you get the chance? I got some stuff to ask you! Thanks! - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 09:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

RE: All Rise
The description is currently missing from the page as is all the other information that belongs in that table. I'm working on a solution that doesn't scrunch the table up. Almost done. - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 22:25, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

The Big One (Hundred Thousand)!
Congratulations on making it to 100,000 edits! What an amazing accomplishment! You've worked so hard for such a long time! But it's not just a number with you. Not only are you grinding out edits, you're taking the time to mentor almost every new editor to grace the wiki, helping with public relations to spread knowledge of the wiki and bring in new users, and reaching out to other related wikis to help them get off the ground. Absolutely phenomenal, and truly inspiring. I hope you're as proud of your accomplishments as I am proud to know someone as selfless as yourself :)

Last push
Your last message to me was quite eye-opening. My attitude towards newer editors hasn't really improved, and to be honest at this point, probably won't. Not going to keep telling you I will change when a part of me isn't prepared to. Truth is I haven't been enjoying editing for quite some time and I don't really see much point in sticking around, especially if I am scaring off newer editors. I don't want you to think I'm just sulking off because I got scolded, it was merely the last wake up call to the fact that my time here is up. Good luck Kate, see you in the Mojave! Branebriar1930 (talk) 00:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Half-life hips
This is why you check everything. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It's fixed now. Razorgrain turns into gigagrain. Apparently it's been wrong on the wiki for almost 2 years. Yikes! Gilpo1 (talk) 19:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Pointers
Hey Kate, you asked me to give you a condensed version of the pointers I mentioned:


 * 1) Scope: In general, as on the Treasury Note, I'd like to ask you not to trim information too much. Our content criteria are ordered according to their priority (as per good lawmaking), and the most important think is relation to the Fallout series. In the content of the Treasury Note, describing the appearance and similarity to the real world note satisfies every requirement on the list, as it's related (it's an item), accurate (bases on in-game appearance of the item), verifiable (describes similarities), informative (provides in-depth explanation and context for the item's appearance, as well as the apparent reuse of the names of issuers), objective (obviously), as delivered (so not altered by mods), and abides by copyright regulations (obviously). In general, when editing, ask yourself "am I making the article more or less informative?" For me, the article was very informative and stripping it down to "it is similar to" has really reduced its attractiveness. Not to mention, we should provide at least rudimentary information on pages, especially in real world cases, to encourage users to stay within our ecosystem (rights holders need to think strategically, especially in the age of SEO and attention economy).
 * 2) References: Fallout canon policy covers everything, so I'd like to ask you to help me get rid the wiki of our experiments and create a good baseline, rather than tweak it continuously and wind up with a hideous Frankenstein of 16 years' worth of divergent policies. In a nutshell:


 * Anything from a game gets regular numbers.
 * Anything from a non-game source gets a separate group (Non-game at minimum), to reflect its status as non-binding (eg. developer commentary regardless of source, game guides, etc.). Anything from contracted stuff like Shelter or Shelter Online etc. should be grouped separately (especially in larger articles).
 * Non-canon has specifically been used in the sense of "definitively, super never happened" like with FOT/FOBOS and cancelled games on the wiki.

Also, thank you for the tooth. I'm half-drugged now to make sure the painful gums and regrowing bone don't kill me with pain. xD Tägäżïël 10:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Quizzes
I have completed Quiz 3, but, when I was editing my user page, I added some user box templates, and now my page has a link to https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages, I'm honestly really confused! Can you help me out please? Also, is it true that Branebriar quit?! - D-Class Personnel (talk) 18:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I have completed Quiz 4. - D-Class Personnel (talk) 15:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Melons
Nope those are all different. Given that one is very difficult to obtain and has limited utility, I’m going with ‘Beth goofed.’

Edit: Also, just realized you linked the FO4 page of melon blossom. That also exists in 76. Melon bloom is exclusive to 76 and probably a mistake. Gilpo1 (talk) 15:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Soviet Union
Hey Kate, I undid your edit. At no point in our policies does anything stand against including some real world information for context, especially if it predates the Divergence. For the rest of the pointers, see above. Tägäżïël 21:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Real world information should really not make up the vast majority of an article. Especially in the case of this one, where it is completely unreferenced. I encourage you to seek out those references in order to make it a stronger article instead of the unreferenced, unrelated to Fallout, copy paste from Wikipedia that it is right now. - kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 22:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It isn't copy pasted from Wikipedia. Before you throw that accusation around, actually check Wikipedia. And virtually the entire article is referenced. I know, I rewrote it and sought references for everything.
 * Second, why did you decide to consolidate Van Buren vehicles into one article? If you decide to do that to quests, characters, and locations next, know that I will not agree with that decision and I will stop it. Tägäżïël 13:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages
Kate, don't create disambiguation pages for just 2 items, they're too few and can already be seen in the search bar. I would say it'd have to be 4/5 or more. Jspoel  13:23, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Abel(Fallout)
Hi Kate, I would like the article for "Abel", a character from Fallout 1, to be changed to "Abel(Fallout)". - Kendallb9000

Thanks!
Thanks for the message.

Redirect category on talkpages
Kate, you shouldn't add a redirect category in redirect talkpages. It's overdoing it. And I'm thinking about abolishing that redirect category all together, there's really no point to it, we already have the Special:Listredirects. Jspoel  13:25, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

The Cheese Crusade
Will you join our crusade to defeat the Gonk Cult and, possibly, the Jebys? Meet us hereif you decide to join. - D-Class Personnel (talk) 14:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Disambig vs gameplay overview
I'm more inclined to allow gameplay overview pages than disambig pages. I do dislike the disambig pages for just two or even 3 items, an overview is better as there is paid more attention to with the page with text and images, and for flora pages it would serve some more purpose. Create a few of those and let me take a look at it. Jspoel  14:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Message box
That's ok. I've done that random encounter message box too! Jspoel  16:32, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well you created them already, guess they can stay as a subcategory of sign and placards. Generally, I'm not too fond of niche categories, they really need some justification. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 17:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Quiz 3-2
K8, K9, K10 Scribe-Howard (waster_93) (talk) 09:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Looking over blog
Hey there! Have you gotten the chance to take a look at the blog thing I sent you? Please get back to me when you can on this. Thanks a bunch! - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 02:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just updating that I sent you my comments day before yesterday (for my own memory/records). Let me know how else I can help. - kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 14:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Get down, turn around, go to town...
So all 'mutfruit' plants, wild or CAMP planted, are harvestable for the same consumable.... mutfruit. So one page is fine IMHO. You'll see this for other plants as well. As long as the harvested consumable is the same, I've been including them all on the same locator maps.

Now, about that 'use_lpi' nonsense you saw. Instead of Beth directly placing a FLOR record at every plant location like they would do with trees and shrubs, due to them needing to change which FLOR object is spawned in a blast zone, they use an LPI (Leveled Placed Instance) instead. It's an LVL that checks conditions before deciding which FLOR to place. It checks to see if it's in a nuke zone, if it is, it spawns the nuked variant of the plant. If not, it spawns the regular one. That EDID is telling some world builder "Hey, this is the FLOR record. Don't place this. If you do, it won't mutate in a blast zone. Place the LPI instead for proper functionality." Despite that, there are many FLOR records placed that shouldn't be. IIRC there are a few ash roses in Berkeley Springs that wont mutate because they were directly placed.

So which one do you include on the wiki page? Like everything else, it's up for debate. If we could figure out a way to accomodate both that would be thorough. Barring that, just the FLOR records of the nuked and regular variants would probably be best, even if they will have a funky EDID. I think you'll see that the new flora for 76 won't have an edid like that and it's primarily from them adapting the FO4 FLOR records where some world builders might have been used to the old way when they didn't have to worry about blast zones. Gilpo1 (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

RE:Under construction template
Thanks! I actually came up with the idea because I saw you had been using it and I realized that we didn't have any way to show who was working on it. I'm glad you like it! Please let me know when you have a bit of time, I wanna talk to you about a few things if I can! Thanks again! - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 05:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Kudos to you, Kate
I don't know if we've ever personally talked before, but I felt so compelled to drop you just a quick message here Kate.

I so rarely make an appearance aound the Wiki anymore, but whenever I do I like to catch up with anything I've missed. I was delighted to see about three weeks ago you hit that magic 100,000th edit, and seem to have kept the ball rolling amassing nearly 4000 more edits in the meantime. When this last happened and Jspol hit his 100,000th, that was the height of my activitiy here. It seems like so much has changed since them. I remember when the wiki hit 15,000 articles, and now we've rounded out some 40,000.

When I see users like yourself though, and the real passion and drive that you have for the Wiki-Mainspace, as well as the community on the whole, I know that there is still some golden little stars out there. It's rounding a decade since I first joined the wiki, and I was a much younger and different person back them for sure. Yet, the odd little family I found at that time here on the Wiki, I know really meant something to me at the time. It seems to me - albiet from afar - that you're helping create a space here on the Wiki for people to find a family like I did so long ago, so I wanted to thank you for that. I don't know if it will mean anything in specific, but I just felt like I had to let you know that it seems like you're making a real difference, so don't forget that.

Keep on keeping on, Kate

Nathan

--  "Those Old World Relics still stand..." 05:13, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Joy!
Nice, isn't it? I got you a Vault Girl, holding a heart (you're using a heart in your signature), and I changed the text to L30Kate! Fitted right in there! Glad you liked it! Jspoel  16:06, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

done with a quiz
hey so i am done with the quiz 13 and did fallout 2 holotapes for the navbox if you want to check my work. thank you. Hellotalos (talk) 02:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * hi again i was done with the rest and wanted to take the final exam but its blank. if you can help me. thank you. Hellotalos (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Blast Zone
Hey Kate, very nice work on the Blast zone page, with those images and that flora table. Really pleasant to look at, good information, and with those expandable little show tabs, cute touch! Jspoel  14:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Facts at the bottom of pages
Howdy, I was made aware of the issue with Facts at the bottom of pages. I've refactored the Icon's template code (if I get a chance/the mood I'll move the data to a subpage to reduce the risk of code damage from adding items) to remove the semantic mediawiki variables that generate it. From memory, although it is a couple of years ago now, that is the only part of the wiki where SM was active, unless it is more extensively used.

If the code falls down, drop a message on my talkpage or ping me in Fandom discord if you're there and I'll have another look and fix it. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 19:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. It was put in there for bleep and other bug hunters so they could use the semantic search to identify pages by console and verification status so they could target bug hunting, looks to me that Fandom have tried to make it more reader appropriate. Can't blame them for trying to improve on what is installed. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 20:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Overviews?
Hey Kate, why did you delete the overview for bloodleaf plant? Tägäżïël 11:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Was not a deletion. The overview information under bloodleaf plant listed the consumables. They are different, bloodleaf plant is a world object. Articles now reflect that, world objects on bloodleaf plant 4/76. Consumables remain bloodleaf 4/76 and black bloodleaf FO4FH/76. All are listed alongside other consumables/recipes under bloodleaf and nav linked. Let me know if you have any questions, I know it is a whirlwind for those not in the thick of it. - kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 14:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * So once you're done, you will move this revision to the current "bloodleaf" disambiguation page and turn it into an overview, correct? Tägäżïël 18:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

A table of disease, a plate of rabies
The table is great, the only thing I thought was it was too wide for how many columns there were and I already fixed that. I'll probably be adding some more stuff to it, also what do you think about putting the 76 diseases on the table? Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 15:08, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Up
Kate, can you give me some guidance on how to log in with Wiki Up? I've seen you use it so I thought I try my luck with you. It doesn't accept my password from my wiki-account. URL is fallout.fandom.com, name Jspoelstra but as said doesn't accept password. Jspoel  17:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Rejoice!
That comment really put a smile to my face, Kate! Thanks. Option still needs go to through the admin channels, so feel free to spread the word. Jspoel  21:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Fun with dialogue
Not a problem. Sometimes I forget, old habits and all. On an unrelated not, can you please move the page "Fort McHarry" back to "Fort McHenry".--Ant2242 (talk) 06:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Also unrelated could you please add the item "chemtex nine" someplace. It keeps getting deleted for "reasons" and I trust that you'd probably know where to put it.--Ant2242 (talk) 06:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Paw Patrol
Same for me lmao, it's never going to leave my head. It's will stay the Paw Patrol forever. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 01:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Flora + unused creatures
Hey Kate, gotcha on Flora. Also, I rolled back your changes to radstork, radbat, and Fo4 centaur, since redirecting to a section ont he art book is less informative than having an article on them. If you want to merge these into a single article, eg. "Fallout 4 unused creature concepts", go ahead, but when editing, be mindful of what the end result is.

I never knew about radstorks and the chance of learning about them is reduced to zero if they're listed nowhere on the wiki, except for the Art of Fallout 4 article, which greatly restricts our ability to inform players on what is involved. Content policy, point 4. :) Tägäżïël 08:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You're touching on a subject I've been considering a while. "Cut" implies a conscious choice to remove something that already existed. For concept art, though, that's inaccurate. I was thinking a broad category of "unused content" in general, that's divided into "concepts" (so, radstorks, radthings, everything that came up in development, but never went into production) and "cuts" (eg. the stupid Litany idea with Danse they recorded lines for and implemented, but then cut, because OBVIOUSLY the Brotherhood wouldn't take Maxson's death lying down). What do you think? Tägäżïël 12:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Got a query for you
Heya! Do you think you could get ahold of me when you get the chance? I got some stuff I'd like to talk to you about and a few questions. Thanks a bunch! - Eckserah   Head Dataminer 22:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Refs
Every sentence added doesn't need a reference, like the full name of the casino can be seen on billboards doesn't need the billboard being referenced when its plainly on the article. Some information can be stated without needing a reference, like Dog and God's name being what it is, which is also pointed out in the story of Dead Money and doesn't need to be in Behind the Scenes. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 05:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Templates in introduction and appearances
Can you stop replacing text with templates in the introduction and appearances section of pages? I'm opposed to it, and I'd like the community's opinion in the Meeting of the Minds. Jspoel  11:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a good discussion point for that meeting, among other (related) subjects I put on there. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 19:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)