User talk:Kdarrow

Please leave me messages below. Happy trails!

Re: Suspiciously ticking pink backpack
Thank you, and while I know it is a tradition, I am still not convinced about this pink monstrosity. I am turning 40 next year, the time when a pink backpack would have looked cute on me is long gone...if there even was a time like that. sigh I really hope someone is running for admin next year. Anyhow, thanks for the quick forum closure, and for updating my staff role. I wish you and your loved ones Happy Holidays. –Findabair The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 13:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Talkpages
I was working to empty the unusedfiles (I think Fandom solved it now), and that one came along. I thought you missed that the image was still used so to make it really used I stored in on a talkpage. We have another like that in that unused files: File:FOWW Notable Settlements section.png. What do you want to do with files like that then as an alternative to remove them from UnusedFiles? Another thing, I don't agree with moving Fallout 3 posters to Poster (Fallout 3). That page is an overview with all kinds of posters, and not a workshop object page (where you can create an object named poster). Workshop object/craft pages get the name Poster (Fallout xx). Jspoel  18:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Kachow
Just wanted to let you know, you're a pretty rad person. And I am EXTREMELY glad I met you. Rubbinmahbelly (talk) 01:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Resignation from dmod
Hello Kate,

I hereby would like to formally resign as discussions moderator. This was a really difficult decision for me, but combining Discussions and Discord is just too much, so I've decided to take a step back as discussions moderator and continue solely as chat moderator. You can read my full post about it here. Thank you for your understanding. The Appalachian 09:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Timeline merged through 2060
An update, I have finished vetting references and adding to timeline article through 2060. I think I did the highlighting of the game dates correctly but hope you can take a look just to double check my work. Before break is over my goal is to get through 2077. Let me know if anything needs to be done differently. Thank you for the opportunity to work on the timeline, Hellotalos (talk) 09:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Pirate Radio
hi kate! i wanted to ask for your help regarding the in-game advertisements on Pirate Radio. i found a recording of all of them and would love to add transcripts of them to the wiki. i just don't know what page to add them to or how to format them. they aren't dialogue scenes as far as i can tell, so they would need to be transcribed by hand. i'm up to the task, but i would appreciate your guidance on how to implement them. thanks! KnuckleheadAtSea (talk) 17:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you! i will definitely fill in the radio play at some point too, but i should mention that the advertisements i mentioned are separate from the radio play. pirate radio plays three things: music, the radio plays, and kitschy pre-war advertisements, all of which are separate from each other. i'm interested in a page that just deals with the advertisements. perhaps it would be "Pirate Radio advertisements" or something like that? i feel like adding them all to the pirate radio page itself would make it bloated, so a separate page for them would be cool, especially since they reveal some cool lore additions. KnuckleheadAtSea (talk) 02:11, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * looks great! thank you, i've filled in several of the ads now. KnuckleheadAtSea (talk) 03:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

BOS Intro
Hi, I have an issue with this:

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Wikiportal:Fallout:_Brotherhood_of_Steel/Intro

It currently says: "Because of numerous inconsistencies with previous Fallout games, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is not considered part of the official Fallout canon, however some of its content could be used as "flavor" material."

As far as I know, this is completely untrue. It has never been officially stated anywhere that BoS is not canon because of "inconsistencies". All Todd Howard said was "For our purposes, neither Fallout Tactics nor Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel happened." For this reason, I think this line should be changed to:

Although Brotherhood of Steel was intended to be a canon game when it was released, Bethesda director Todd Howard later apparently deemed the game non-canon in a Fallout 3 interview.

I would edit the Template myself but it's locked for admins only. Can you please help? Skorch (talk) 08:19, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Kate, this statement would be incorrect, as FOBOS was not intended to be a Canon game. Dev comments were quoted by Duck and Cover at the time (Quoted by DAC from the Interplay forums)


 * However. As we have stated more than a few times now, FO:BOS is not a continuation of the PC chronology. It is inspired by, and takes place with a recognisable tangent of the Fallout Universe, but is is a law unto itself. Further console games (should they come to fruition) will have to follow what we lay down with this game.


 * Is there an answer that will apease your "Why the hell change it..."? Probably not, because when you get right down to it, we changed it because we wanted to.


 * FO:BOS resides within a thrice-removed tangent from ourselves, with Fallout 1 and 2 nestled somewhere between.


 * Yes facts about FO and the BOS that we could use in our defense have been listed, but since we are going to stay the course that F:BoS is not meant to be canon or not necassarily follow canon, then we can't site those items. Can we?

As such the statement should read that it was NOT intended to be a canon game. Agent c (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I can't find that in Wayback, though. It's fine to remove the "Interplay intended it to be canon" part since I've seen this new evidence, although I still wish we had a more reliable citation for this. Skorch (talk) 04:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Double full stops
Can you backtrack your edits you made in the last hour, where you changed Fallout 76 in ? Most of them now have a double full stop. Happy new year btw! Jspoel  00:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Re: Happy New Year
Hi Kate. Thank you for your kind words and happy new year! I recently got the PC version of Fallout 3 and New Vegas, so I add the additional info about the characters if I can. KingBigW (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Commonwealth Police
I believe there should be some information regarding them on the wikia as they are mentioned in Fallout 3 and people trying to find information on it won't find any here. There was to be a page but it was scrubbed awhile ago, though most of it was not well written at the time; it now redirects to Synth Retention Bureau although this page doesn't mention them either. They should either be mentioned in their own article (though it'd stub) or as a footnote on the Synth Retention Buereau article. I'm hesitant to restore the page without advisment first though. Mr. Someguy (talk) 22:48, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Just curious about something
I put a caption on the Institute article that said "The Institute creating synths using blood-like pools." Why did you remove it?

Funny enough, I also noticed the article claimed the Robotics division has no head, even though it's Alan Binet. Skorch (talk) 08:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * It looked really red to me when I played, but then again, I like to boost the color on my TV so reds look redder. It's whatever tho, I'll think of a better caption later. I do think this wiki has an issue with lacking captions, and it makes this wiki feel a bit unprofessional to me. All wikis should try to have captions for their images. For example, your recent revise of the Enclave article lacks them. Remember, people who read these articles literally may not have ever played a Fallout game so they won't know the context. You should get into the habit of adding captions and writing out the details and importance of the image. Like, who is in the image? Where is the image located? What game is the image from? Et cetera. Also, why did you remove the Gallery on the Enclave article? I liked it because it showcased the organization's art and clothing. Skorch (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, I strongly disagree with your removal of the list of LGBT+ people on the Sexuality article. Characters like Veronica being gay is absolutely not speculation. It's standard practice for wikis to list LGBT characters, whether it to be via categories or on an article list. Skorch (talk) 03:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * In case you don't know, I'm looking at the guide right now. It only shows ages "E.g. This character is ___ years old" but it doesn't give a single birthdate. So while the clarification for the birth year is needed as literally the vast majority are done by subtraction, I don't know if the "clarification needed" for ages are necessary. Skorch (talk) 05:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The reference formatting is giving me a headache. Can you please fix Fantasia's and Cherry's so it's proper, and that the references at the bottom are formatted right? Skorch (talk) 05:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm actually going to stop adding age stuff for now. I went alphabetically and now I stopped at H. But yeah, since the game guide is technically not a game, those sources need to go under "non-canon" right? So shouldn't Madison's and Lyon's references be categorized under non-canon in the references? I'll let you handle the references and formatting before I resume tomorrow. The formatting is giving me a headache. Skorch (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

LGBT characters removed?
Hey Kate, why did you remove this? This section has been around for ages and neither you nor anyone else has ever had an issue with it. Also we actually do know most if not all of the genders of the characters mentioned, says so on their pages. Branebriar1930 (talk) 13:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point out the edit summary "this all speculation based on assumed genders" makes little sense. The section was labeled "LGBTQIA+" so even if a character happens to not be cisgender, then they'd still fit into the list anyway due to being transgender or non-binary. Skorch (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

THE BOARD
As always, a board badge was promised, and thus, a board badge is delivered.

Love the quantum cap you made for the lifetime achievement award. Here is a nifty little box to showcase your efforts as part of the Board for 2021. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 06:39, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Atomic Roller ball
Kate, why have you moved Atomic Roller ball (Nuka-World) to Atomic Roller ball (Fallout 4)? It's a Nuka-World item and should have the extension Nuka-World. If you play Fallout 4 without the Nuka-World add-on and look for the Atomic Roller ball (Fallout 4) on the wiki, you'll think it's in the base game but you won't find it. So it should be with the extension Nuka-World. That's the way it's done for all add-on items. Jspoel  21:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Skill pages
I was thinking on doing some work on splitting the skill pages. The plan for this is still on, right, hasn't been changed in a meeting of the minds? Jspoel  23:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

NATO article
Hey, Kdarrow? What happened to the article about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, AKA NATO? Was the article deleted? I ask because I'm redirected to the page for the M-14 rifle instead lately, and I thought NATO still existed in the Fallout timeline due to the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact still being in existence as the Cold War lasted well into the 21st century before the Great War/WWIII broke out. Reply back to this as soon as you can. Thanks. SonictheHedgehog1245 (talk) 02:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Fallout: New Vegas map
Hey,

I noticed earlier you deleted a significant section from the Fallout: New Vegas map covering the early Mojave map seen at Hidden Valley and the Remnants bunker (nv_pleximap01) and simply left the image in the page gallery without context. Could you explain why? Deleting the section in its entirety with no edit summary really falls short of wiki etiquette and honestly is borderline vandalism. I'm further bewildered because you were fine with the same section in October of 2020, even making a few tweaks to wording at that time. Aside from the dubious way in which the section was expunged from the page, the entire page is objectively worse off now for it. Looking forward to positive dialogue on how this issue can be fixed and the page made more useful for readers. ManOfSteel1994 (talk) 20:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Main page overhaul
Hi, I was just thinking, can we overhaul the main page? It's super lackluster, imo. It doesn't have two columns, nor does it link to the main categories, only the portals. And even then, the portals are very confusing and overwhelming for newcomers. These other language wikis have main pages which look far better imo and what I want the main page to resemble:

https://fallout.fandom.com/de/wiki/Fallout_Wiki

https://fallout.fandom.com/es/wiki/Fallout_Wiki

https://fallout.fandom.com/pt-br/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal

https://fallout.fandom.com/ru/wiki/Fallout_Wiki

Would you be up for doing it? I'd do it myself, but the issue is, it's locked and the wiki uses "template in a template in a template" styling, so all those templates are locked. Skorch (talk) 13:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Deleting pages
I cannot tell you how many times I have come across pages that are never finished (usually because the editor is new and loses interest right after creating the page), in this case, that page was around for over an hour, contained unhelpful wording, and with no one editing it or leaving a tag about it being under construction. You know there is a bare minimum that a new page needs to fulfil to meet the standards of this wiki, otherwise it just looks like (and often is) an unconstructive "addition" here. Branebriar1930 (talk) 00:40, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Re: Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the kind words. I do need some help actually. On the edit oage for the undersized and oversized items of FO3, the page keeps reverting to the previous alignment despite my multiple attempts to edit the page into the correct format. This has been very frustrating. If you or someone else could fix the Takoma Park entries so they're probably aligned and get rid of any unnecessary markers/punctuation, and/or tell me how so I can avoid this in the future, that would be amazing. Thank you! <3**

Patriot's Cookbook
Why did you replace Patriot's Cookbook's infobox image with an inferior (IMO) one? Jspoel  14:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I created that image from the GECK. Your image isn't correct with how you see it in-game (I tested it) with that light brown banner on the left. You're setting a precedent for all the other magazine images which I wouldn't want. The larger one is better. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 17:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Skill page splitting
While I'm splitting the skill pages a question raised to mind. I'm sort of inbetween what to do with the content from Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics. Should these pages also be split, or merged as we did with the perk pages? You've split one yourself (Repair) and split the Fo1, Fo2 and FOT pages. Still, when you look at more skill pages, not all of them have that much content if you split them (though I probably could make it work with similar content on the pages). What do you think of it? Jspoel  18:06, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Was thinking, maybe split the Fo1/Fo2/FOT pages that have enough content to warrant an own page, and merge the ones that don't. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 18:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Infobox age/dob/dod removals
Why did you remove these? It's standard practice to have these parameters in the infobox, and they should absolutely not be only in the base article in my opinion. Did you talk to anyone else about making this drastic change, such as a public proposal? Skorch (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Dialogue
That's ok. The dialogue is created by FDekker, I combine that dialogue, xEdit and the voice dialogue files to figure out what the actual dialogue for a character is. It's kinda fun, that's what matters right? You can find it here. Jspoel  17:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice work creating those pages btw. We're now down to less than 500 wanted pages. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 17:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm going way quicker than I was thinking earlier. I'm making a lot of edits with the soundfiles. Probably be a couple of months before I reach half a million edits. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 16:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

200th edit
this is pretty poggers champion my gamers Rubbinmahbelly (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Unanswered questions
Hi, I'm just curious, why aren't you answering my questions above? I've noticed this habit with you a bit where you seem to avoid discussion.


 * The first time happened regarding when you deleted the list of LGBT characters on the Sexuality article, which even Branebriar questioned. We both argued that as long as there were references, the list should've been kept. Now that Sexuality article has been axed so it's sorta a moot point now, but I don't think either of us received an answer about it from you before. Still, it's an instance where you seemed to have not followed us up about it.


 * The second time happened with me asking you about the main page and making it better.


 * The third time happened recently. I talked to you about how you removed age/dob/dod in the infobox. This merits an entire discussion about it, and I could think of many arguments why they should be kept. I asked you about it, such as if you asked other people before making such a drastic change.

Now, I have no idea what happens on Discord or if you happen to be talking to other people there, but I feel like I've been ignored. I also decided to give you a week of time to reply to me, so I don't know. Maybe you didn't see it? Or maybe you forgot about it? I found a post by someone claiming you have a habit of making big changes to the wiki without talking about it with the other admins first, so I wonder about that. So I'd like to talk to you about the main page/infobox changes. If I don't get any answers, I'll have to talk to the other admins about it. Skorch (talk) 00:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox character
I don't agree with removing birthdates and age from the infobox character template. This is just the kind of information you'd put there. Jspoel  10:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)